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Okay so very soon I’m gonna really go to work on this, but there’s a loooottttt of misinfo about MJ and S3. It’s almost entirely all misinfo, with people filling in gaps in history without realizing the factual and logical errors. I think people get excited when they see these two big celebrity icons together, and it’s just such a cool idea that it makes people too eager.
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==Jackson inserted into [[AS-1]] rides after completion==
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*So for this and all relevant articles: MJ was (largely?) inserted into the [[AS-1]] ridefilms after the fact. Which is obvious in retrospect, but it explains why the MJ bits are entirely separate from the real content.
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Short of a big outline right now, here’s the real nutshell. MJ contributed beatboxed melodies via voicemails to SoA. He wasn’t in the studio making music. He did it over the phone, something he frequently did with all kinds of music production. There’s a ton of people who recorded them in other industries, and I honestly think some SoA employee must have an old cassette tape of these recordings. SoA stated they were unusuable, meaning the composition wasn’t suited for Sonic, SoA’s style, or both. At some point a SoA programmer comverted a few tracks to FM (I think their name is actually published somewhere...), played it to Michael, he wasn’t a fan of it, and that’s the end of it. He left some of his sound team to work on the project (Buxer, one-two more I think?), and THEY were inspired to throw some MJ sounds into the game as a tribute: namely the woohoos and the crashing glass, but there are other MJ-esque motifs in some songs. If anything, the Western-composed new jack swing-y stuff wouldn’t have been nearly as new jack swing-y without MJ.
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::re: this, [[Hironao Takeda]]'s various blogposts about the development of the AS-1 do specifically mention that Jackson played a complete, localised build of Scramble Training on his December 1992 visit and agreed on the spot to film inserts for the ridefilm afterward
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::I'm not as certain about Megalopolis, as that seems to have been released later on in 1993 - having said that, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaSwZ6NXsI8 clips of it were previewed on British television in late 1992] around the exact same time as MJ's visit, so he probably saw some of that in advance too
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On these voicemails were likely two sounds: the rolling drum beat from Knuckles’ theme (directly associated with Buxer, indirectly with MJ) which is the strongest candidate for MJ’s remaining work on S3. The other is something that inspired the credits theme. But only a very base inspiration: these were only beatboxes. If you want to point to anything as being OBJECTIVELY MJ compositions, it’s these two and only these two. Everything else was inspired by his commercial music, presence, and maaaayyybbeeee a few beat patterns from those voiemails.
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::[[User:Ted618|Ted618]] ([[User talk:Ted618|talk]]) 14:00, 5 October 2022 (GMT)
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:::Thank you! Just added the Hironao Takeda info, will get to Megalopolis on British TV soon. For the former, I'm having a hard time locating his blogspot for a ref. Do you have links to those posts at all? ty again :) [[User:CartridgeCulture|CartridgeCulture]] ([[User talk:CartridgeCulture|talk]]) 02:00, 10 October 2022 (EDT)
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What makes this worse is one of the SoA people who got interviewed about it later misremembered hard, and that got spread everywhere. I don’t think he meant to, or was doing it to gain some attention, but it was so poorly communicated that it was used to blindly shoot down a lot of related logic because “that guy said so”. Man I can’t remember what I had for breakfast last week. Don’t tell me no one’s going to confuse “directly composed” and “indirectly composed” like 20 years later. Game devs misremember in interviews ALL the time. No one wrote this shit down, it’s all oral histories, and that shit gets telephoned after being passed along so far.
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::::the main one where he talks about his memories of MJ is here, though I think there may be a few others - will have to check again at some point - https://blog.goo.ne.jp/lemon6868/e/32a5ef5e93b829fd3271e29d8f9a6e1e
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::::[[User:Ted618|Ted618]] ([[User talk:Ted618|talk]]) 04:45, 13 October 2022 (GMT)
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Anyway expect all of this to be encyclopedically nutshelled and migrated to the main page soon. Seriously I’m telling you that cassette tape exists. [[User:CartridgeCulture|CartridgeCulture]] ([[User talk:CartridgeCulture|talk]]) 05:31, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
 

Latest revision as of 03:33, 8 June 2023

Jackson inserted into AS-1 rides after completion

  • So for this and all relevant articles: MJ was (largely?) inserted into the AS-1 ridefilms after the fact. Which is obvious in retrospect, but it explains why the MJ bits are entirely separate from the real content.
re: this, Hironao Takeda's various blogposts about the development of the AS-1 do specifically mention that Jackson played a complete, localised build of Scramble Training on his December 1992 visit and agreed on the spot to film inserts for the ridefilm afterward
I'm not as certain about Megalopolis, as that seems to have been released later on in 1993 - having said that, clips of it were previewed on British television in late 1992 around the exact same time as MJ's visit, so he probably saw some of that in advance too
Ted618 (talk) 14:00, 5 October 2022 (GMT)
Thank you! Just added the Hironao Takeda info, will get to Megalopolis on British TV soon. For the former, I'm having a hard time locating his blogspot for a ref. Do you have links to those posts at all? ty again :) CartridgeCulture (talk) 02:00, 10 October 2022 (EDT)
the main one where he talks about his memories of MJ is here, though I think there may be a few others - will have to check again at some point - https://blog.goo.ne.jp/lemon6868/e/32a5ef5e93b829fd3271e29d8f9a6e1e
Ted618 (talk) 04:45, 13 October 2022 (GMT)
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